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Comment on How Do You Like your Books? by braniac</title>
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      <description><![CDATA[I found this discussion on intellectual property in literature both refreshing and thought-provoking. It’s interesting to see how our understanding of creativity extends beyond just the written word—much like how effective patent filing and trademark registration safeguard innovations in various industries. Protecting original ideas, whether through literary critique or legal mechanisms, ensures that creativity thrives in a structured, rewarding environment. Thanks for sparking this dialogue!]]></description>
      <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I found this discussion on intellectual property in literature both refreshing and thought-provoking. It’s interesting to see how our understanding of creativity extends beyond just the written word—much like how effective patent filing and trademark registration safeguard innovations in various industries. Protecting original ideas, whether through literary critique or legal mechanisms, ensures that creativity thrives in a structured, rewarding environment. Thanks for sparking this dialogue!</p>
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Comment on Taxing Collusion by Julie</title>
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      <description><![CDATA[I&#039;m just curious, who will eventually bear the cost of a tax on breakage or MFNs provisions? Artists would, these are old provisions that have been making it very difficult for artists to work and make a living, because the math simply never makes any sense. I would imagine the response would be the same as it always have: artist paying by way of even more ruthless contract provisions and splits. I don&#039;t think you need to look that hard to find artist who have moved out of the major label system, who would be able to speak to how much an idea like mandated transparency would help (hint, look for artists who write their own music, have been successful - not superstar success - yet they still have been around for some time and are still active. Middle class artists if you will). I genuinely hope legal scholars might attempt to factor in those who create and perform music into this equation before supporting ideas as some of those presented here. Or get comfortable with the idea of only having the new music recorded that falls within the umbrella of junk food music..oh joy. Please just remember, the 3 labels don&#039;t exist in some vacuum, disconnected from everyone and everything else. And streaming, well, let us not forget that they already get all music by way of statutory licensing and rates.. how does that fit into this tax penalty? Would it even matter that all the remaining 3 still appear to own stock in spotify and other digital music platforms?]]></description>
      <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m just curious, who will eventually bear the cost of a tax on breakage or MFNs provisions? Artists would, these are old provisions that have been making it very difficult for artists to work and make a living, because the math simply never makes any sense. I would imagine the response would be the same as it always have: artist paying by way of even more ruthless contract provisions and splits. I don&#8217;t think you need to look that hard to find artist who have moved out of the major label system, who would be able to speak to how much an idea like mandated transparency would help (hint, look for artists who write their own music, have been successful &#8211; not superstar success &#8211; yet they still have been around for some time and are still active. Middle class artists if you will). I genuinely hope legal scholars might attempt to factor in those who create and perform music into this equation before supporting ideas as some of those presented here. Or get comfortable with the idea of only having the new music recorded that falls within the umbrella of junk food music..oh joy. Please just remember, the 3 labels don&#8217;t exist in some vacuum, disconnected from everyone and everything else. And streaming, well, let us not forget that they already get all music by way of statutory licensing and rates.. how does that fit into this tax penalty? Would it even matter that all the remaining 3 still appear to own stock in spotify and other digital music platforms?</p>
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Comment on Upsetting Conventional Wisdom of Copyright Scholarship in the Age of AI by Oren Bracha</title>
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      <dc:creator><![CDATA[Oren Bracha]]></dc:creator>
      <pubDate>Thu, 04 Apr 2024 15:58:00 +0000</pubDate>
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      <description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://ip.jotwell.com/upsetting-conventional-wisdom-of-copyright-scholarship-in-the-age-of-ai/#comment-64620&quot;&gt;Aleksander Goranin&lt;/a&gt;.

The &quot;sin&quot; of physicalism goes as far back as IP.  Some examples that pop to mind are:
Boulton &#038; Watt v. Bull (1795): all the judges but one cannot bring themselves to recognize the concept of a method patent because of the lack of physicality of such subject matter.
Or if you want to go further back: the use of 17th century English stationers of the term &quot;copy&quot; as a quasi-physical object of property.
But yes, in modern American copyright law MAI and RAM copies is certainly a major highlight.]]></description>
      <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://ip.jotwell.com/upsetting-conventional-wisdom-of-copyright-scholarship-in-the-age-of-ai/#comment-64620">Aleksander Goranin</a>.</p>
<p>The &#8220;sin&#8221; of physicalism goes as far back as IP.  Some examples that pop to mind are:<br />
Boulton &amp; Watt v. Bull (1795): all the judges but one cannot bring themselves to recognize the concept of a method patent because of the lack of physicality of such subject matter.<br />
Or if you want to go further back: the use of 17th century English stationers of the term &#8220;copy&#8221; as a quasi-physical object of property.<br />
But yes, in modern American copyright law MAI and RAM copies is certainly a major highlight.</p>
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Comment on Upsetting Conventional Wisdom of Copyright Scholarship in the Age of AI by Aleksander Goranin</title>
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      <description><![CDATA[Eager to read the article. Was MAI Systems v. Peak Computer with its “RAM copy” the original sin in this tale? That thought has been niggling me for years.]]></description>
      <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Eager to read the article. Was MAI Systems v. Peak Computer with its “RAM copy” the original sin in this tale? That thought has been niggling me for years.</p>
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Comment on Upsetting Conventional Wisdom of Copyright Scholarship in the Age of AI by Oren Bracha</title>
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      <dc:creator><![CDATA[Oren Bracha]]></dc:creator>
      <pubDate>Wed, 03 Apr 2024 03:25:28 +0000</pubDate>
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      <description><![CDATA[Thank you Chris for a very acute review that summarizes the central point of the article in a much clearer way than I ever could. I know that an author’s response is not the norm here, but I’ll hazard one anyway because the argument indeed goes against deeply ingrained conventional wisdom and as a result various parts of it are often misunderstood (although not by Chris here, I hasten to add).  So to clarify a few things:

1.The argument is NOT that there is no reproduction or that copies are not made. Of course, there is. The argument is that such reproduction is not-infringing because it does not involve any copyrightable subject matter which is expression and expression only.  Just as the copying in Nichols was not infringing because it involved using only unprotected “ideas.”

2.Once the argument is understood, the only distinction from cases like Nichols is that here, as a physical matter, the whole “work” is reproduced. But this is exactly the physicalist fallacy. Mere physical objects or acts that have nothing to do with the use of expression qua expression are not within the domain of copyright. 

3.The physicalist fallacy is widespread in copyright and IP more generally. Think not only digital fair use referred to by Chris, but also the RAM copies debacle. The latter Jessica Litman very appropriately called “copy fetishism.” 
For the ubiquity of the physicalist fallacy in IP generally and the need to avoid it see Talha Syed’s brilliant article on Reconstructing Patent Eligibility. https://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=3699014

See also Abraham Drassinower in his excellent book The Problem with Copyright (the subject matter of copyright is not stains of ”ink on a piece of paper”), and Remarks on Technological Neutrality in Copyright Law as a Subject Matter Problem: Lessons from Canada. https://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=4099720

4.Since the issue is one of copyright’s subject matter, the correct conceptual tool for analyzing it is copyright’s subject matter principles. And the comparative advantages of using the correct conceptual tool is not just the practical ones of a more administrable and procedurally-friendly to defendants doctrine, but also much more importantly: far better fit between the relevant concepts and their purpose and the substantive issue at hand. Hence the article’s argument may be good or bad, but it is anything but “doctrinal.”

5.At the same time, the argument is decidedly not about “policy” (of fair use or otherwise). It is not about this or that specific “policy” as applied to the GenAI context. It is about the most fundamental concepts of what copyright is about understood (as they must be) in light of their purpose. The whole theoretical assumption of the article is that there is such a thing as legal concepts, that are important and distinct from both: a) “doctrine” in the sense of either endlessly manipulable technical rules or formalistic norms that carry their own meaning with no reference to purpose, and; b) context-specific policies, as opposed to much more general and basic purposes that are indispensable for giving meaning to concepts. In this case the relevant concepts are those of subject matter, their purpose is to designate the field’s informational domain (expression and expression only!). And much follows from taking these concepts and their purpose seriously both for the GenAI infringement debate and more generally for IP (see (3) above). Not the least by way of dispelling very common misunderstandings and confusions that haunt IP.]]></description>
      <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you Chris for a very acute review that summarizes the central point of the article in a much clearer way than I ever could. I know that an author’s response is not the norm here, but I’ll hazard one anyway because the argument indeed goes against deeply ingrained conventional wisdom and as a result various parts of it are often misunderstood (although not by Chris here, I hasten to add).  So to clarify a few things:</p>
<p>1.The argument is NOT that there is no reproduction or that copies are not made. Of course, there is. The argument is that such reproduction is not-infringing because it does not involve any copyrightable subject matter which is expression and expression only.  Just as the copying in Nichols was not infringing because it involved using only unprotected “ideas.”</p>
<p>2.Once the argument is understood, the only distinction from cases like Nichols is that here, as a physical matter, the whole “work” is reproduced. But this is exactly the physicalist fallacy. Mere physical objects or acts that have nothing to do with the use of expression qua expression are not within the domain of copyright. </p>
<p>3.The physicalist fallacy is widespread in copyright and IP more generally. Think not only digital fair use referred to by Chris, but also the RAM copies debacle. The latter Jessica Litman very appropriately called “copy fetishism.”<br />
For the ubiquity of the physicalist fallacy in IP generally and the need to avoid it see Talha Syed’s brilliant article on Reconstructing Patent Eligibility. <a href="https://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=3699014" rel="nofollow ugc">https://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=3699014</a></p>
<p>See also Abraham Drassinower in his excellent book The Problem with Copyright (the subject matter of copyright is not stains of ”ink on a piece of paper”), and Remarks on Technological Neutrality in Copyright Law as a Subject Matter Problem: Lessons from Canada. <a href="https://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=4099720" rel="nofollow ugc">https://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=4099720</a></p>
<p>4.Since the issue is one of copyright’s subject matter, the correct conceptual tool for analyzing it is copyright’s subject matter principles. And the comparative advantages of using the correct conceptual tool is not just the practical ones of a more administrable and procedurally-friendly to defendants doctrine, but also much more importantly: far better fit between the relevant concepts and their purpose and the substantive issue at hand. Hence the article’s argument may be good or bad, but it is anything but “doctrinal.”</p>
<p>5.At the same time, the argument is decidedly not about “policy” (of fair use or otherwise). It is not about this or that specific “policy” as applied to the GenAI context. It is about the most fundamental concepts of what copyright is about understood (as they must be) in light of their purpose. The whole theoretical assumption of the article is that there is such a thing as legal concepts, that are important and distinct from both: a) “doctrine” in the sense of either endlessly manipulable technical rules or formalistic norms that carry their own meaning with no reference to purpose, and; b) context-specific policies, as opposed to much more general and basic purposes that are indispensable for giving meaning to concepts. In this case the relevant concepts are those of subject matter, their purpose is to designate the field’s informational domain (expression and expression only!). And much follows from taking these concepts and their purpose seriously both for the GenAI infringement debate and more generally for IP (see (3) above). Not the least by way of dispelling very common misunderstandings and confusions that haunt IP.</p>
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Comment on Upsetting Conventional Wisdom of Copyright Scholarship in the Age of AI by Akshat Agrawal</title>
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      <pubDate>Sat, 30 Mar 2024 21:09:08 +0000</pubDate>
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      <description><![CDATA[It is an amazing paper by Professor Bracha which he presented at the 2024 Annual International Intellectual Property Lecture- and explained in a very crisp and clear way. ESpecially through simple analogies that drive the point home. Here is the link- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_xkX6VOcjO4&#038;ab_channel=CambridgeLawFaculty

Shoutout to Prof. Talha Syed from Berkeley Law- who is cited in the paper and even referenced in the talk for developing this point on de-physicalising as a tool of dereifying IP law in context of patent theory in his wonderful piece- Reconstructing Patent Eligibility- https://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=3699014]]></description>
      <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It is an amazing paper by Professor Bracha which he presented at the 2024 Annual International Intellectual Property Lecture- and explained in a very crisp and clear way. ESpecially through simple analogies that drive the point home. Here is the link- <a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_xkX6VOcjO4&#038;ab_channel=CambridgeLawFaculty" rel="nofollow ugc">https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_xkX6VOcjO4&#038;ab_channel=CambridgeLawFaculty</a></p>
<p>Shoutout to Prof. Talha Syed from Berkeley Law- who is cited in the paper and even referenced in the talk for developing this point on de-physicalising as a tool of dereifying IP law in context of patent theory in his wonderful piece- Reconstructing Patent Eligibility- <a href="https://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=3699014" rel="nofollow ugc">https://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=3699014</a></p>
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Comment on Upsetting Conventional Wisdom of Copyright Scholarship in the Age of AI by Christopher Jon Sprigman</title>
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      <dc:creator><![CDATA[Christopher Jon Sprigman]]></dc:creator>
      <pubDate>Thu, 28 Mar 2024 21:03:39 +0000</pubDate>
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      <description><![CDATA[Defendants in the ReDigi case make an argument about the meaning of reproduction that is analytically similar in some ways to Bracha&#039;s argument about what a copy is in this context. Both arguments are purposive interpretations of the relevant legal terms. There&#039;s nothing crazy about that. It&#039;s not the way courts have typically approached these terms ... but as academics that doesn&#039;t stop us from pointing out alternatives, right?]]></description>
      <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Defendants in the ReDigi case make an argument about the meaning of reproduction that is analytically similar in some ways to Bracha&#8217;s argument about what a copy is in this context. Both arguments are purposive interpretations of the relevant legal terms. There&#8217;s nothing crazy about that. It&#8217;s not the way courts have typically approached these terms &#8230; but as academics that doesn&#8217;t stop us from pointing out alternatives, right?</p>
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Comment on Upsetting Conventional Wisdom of Copyright Scholarship in the Age of AI by Dr. David Opderbeck</title>
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      <dc:creator><![CDATA[Dr. David Opderbeck]]></dc:creator>
      <pubDate>Thu, 28 Mar 2024 17:06:21 +0000</pubDate>
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      <description><![CDATA[A combination of wishful thinking and doctrinal hash.  Of course copies are made.  All this argument does is conflate &quot;copy&quot; with the policies of fair use in an analytically sloppy way.]]></description>
      <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A combination of wishful thinking and doctrinal hash.  Of course copies are made.  All this argument does is conflate &#8220;copy&#8221; with the policies of fair use in an analytically sloppy way.</p>
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Comment on Gender Equity in the Market for Collegiate Name, Image, and Likeness Rights by Tan T. Boston</title>
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      <description><![CDATA[Michael, thank you for your excellent and engaging review of The NIL Glass Ceiling. Readers that would like to learn more about this topic can read the full article here: https://lawreview.richmond.edu/2023/06/08/the-nil-glass-ceiling]]></description>
      <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Michael, thank you for your excellent and engaging review of The NIL Glass Ceiling. Readers that would like to learn more about this topic can read the full article here: <a href="https://lawreview.richmond.edu/2023/06/08/the-nil-glass-ceiling" rel="nofollow ugc">https://lawreview.richmond.edu/2023/06/08/the-nil-glass-ceiling</a></p>
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Comment on What Can Neuroscience Teach Us About Copyright? by El roam</title>
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      <description><![CDATA[Interesting. 

It&#039;s hard to see the relevancy here of neuroscience. And the point has been missed here it seems:

For the intent of the lawmaker, wasn&#039;t only to encourage creativity, but also to protect those creative persons (emphasizing: to protect). 

So, parasites and wrongdoers,  wouldn&#039;t profit from the harsh work and investments of others. That is why the threshold is so low (beyond the issue of domains. While patent rely rather on mechanisms, copyright can be attributed to: writing, movies, theatre etc...every domain almost).

So, understanding the intent of the lawmaker, is crucial here. 

Thanks]]></description>
      <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Interesting. </p>
<p>It&#8217;s hard to see the relevancy here of neuroscience. And the point has been missed here it seems:</p>
<p>For the intent of the lawmaker, wasn&#8217;t only to encourage creativity, but also to protect those creative persons (emphasizing: to protect). </p>
<p>So, parasites and wrongdoers,  wouldn&#8217;t profit from the harsh work and investments of others. That is why the threshold is so low (beyond the issue of domains. While patent rely rather on mechanisms, copyright can be attributed to: writing, movies, theatre etc&#8230;every domain almost).</p>
<p>So, understanding the intent of the lawmaker, is crucial here. </p>
<p>Thanks</p>
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