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    <description>Many Different Birds is a podcast that dives into Indigenous health, well-being, and the challenges of navigating the healthcare system. Through in-depth conversations, bringing together Elders, knowledge keepers, researchers, healthcare professionals, students, and community members, we amplify Indigenous voices and challenge systemic inequities.&#xD;
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Many Different Birds goes beyond academic discussions and institutional perspectives, offering a platform for lived experiences, personal storytelling, and critical reflections. By sharing these perspectives, we hope to educate listeners, challenge preconceived notions, and contribute to meaningful change in how healthcare is understood and delivered.&#xD;
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If you&#x2019;re curious, open-minded, or just want to learn more about how we can create a just, equitable healthcare system, tune in. Let&#x2019;s ask the tough questions, challenge our biases, and rethink what we think we know&#x2014;together.&#xD;
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    <itunes:summary>Many Different Birds is a podcast that dives into Indigenous health, well-being, and the challenges of navigating the healthcare system. Through in-depth conversations, bringing together Elders, knowledge keepers, researchers, healthcare professionals, students, and community members, we amplify Indigenous voices and challenge systemic inequities.&#xD;
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Many Different Birds goes beyond academic discussions and institutional perspectives, offering a platform for lived experiences, personal storytelling, and critical reflections. By sharing these perspectives, we hope to educate listeners, challenge preconceived notions, and contribute to meaningful change in how healthcare is understood and delivered.&#xD;
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If you&#x2019;re curious, open-minded, or just want to learn more about how we can create a just, equitable healthcare system, tune in. Let&#x2019;s ask the tough questions, challenge our biases, and rethink what we think we know&#x2014;together.&#xD;
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      <title>Many Different Birds - Episode November 25, 2025</title>
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      <description><![CDATA[<b>Episode 18: Misdiagnosis with Samaria Nancy Cardinal </b><br />
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In this inspiring conversation, we sit down with Samaria Nancy Cardinal to explore the many ways she supports healing and transformation through her work. She opens up about her personal journey, navigating the challenges of being misdiagnosed with bipolar disorder, and the powerful process of breaking free from labels that did not define who she truly was. Her story is one of resilience, self-discovery, and reclaiming identity. <br></br><br />
We also dive into her path as a healer and entrepreneur. Samaria shares how her vision gave rise to Flowers in Wind Therapy and her work with Holistic Leaf Therapy, where she continues to guide others through holistic, culturally grounded approaches to wellness. She describes the therapeutic practices she offers her “wellness partners,” including EMDR (Eye Movement Desensitisation and Reprocessing), narrative therapy, and Indigenous healing practices that honour culture, spirit, and community. <br></br><br />
This episode is a heartfelt exploration of the impact of mental health labels, the integration of traditional and contemporary practices, and the courage it takes to challenge stigma while embracing the full journey of mind, body, and spirit. Samaria also truly shows us that age is only a number, demonstrating that it’s never too late to heal, grow, and step into your calling. <br></br><img src="https://feedpress.me/link/23751/17217087.gif" height="1" width="1"/>]]></description>
      <pubDate>Thu, 20 Nov 2025 19:23:26 -0700</pubDate>
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      <title>Many Different Birds - Episode August 26, 2025</title>
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      <description><![CDATA[<b>Episode 16: Stories in Stone with Ben Kucher </b><br />
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In this episode, we sit down with Ben Kucher, a Métis/Cree anthropologist, poet, and advocate whose work centers on Indigenous sovereignty, historical memory, and decolonisation. We explore archaeology from an Indigenous perspective, highlighting the importance of community collaboration and meaningful engagement with Indigenous communities. Ben discusses trade beads, their spiritual significance, and connections to health. <br></br><br />
We also dive into his creative work, including his book and poetry, exploring the inspirations behind his writing. Additionally, Ben shares insights on advocacy, offering advice for young activists, and reflects on reconciliation, including the role of non-Indigenous peoples. <br></br><br />
Finally, he discusses how to make land acknowledgements more meaningful and impactful. <br></br><img src="https://feedpress.me/link/23751/17126978.gif" height="1" width="1"/>]]></description>
      <pubDate>Wed, 20 Aug 2025 21:16:03 -0600</pubDate>
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      <title>Many Different Birds - Episode June 24, 2025</title>
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      <description><![CDATA[<b>Beyond Indigenization: Métis Strength and Generational Change </b><br />
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In this episode, we speak with Sharon Goulet, a Red River Métis woman and long-time advocate for Indigenous communities in Calgary. Sharon shares her powerful journey of reconnecting with her Métis identity and passing that connection on to her daughter — a recurring and deeply moving theme throughout the conversation. <br></br><br />
We explore how cities are responding to the TRC’s Calls to Action, why the Two Row Wampum Belt remains a foundational teaching, and why simply “indigenizing” systems often misses the mark. Sharon challenges us to think about reconciliation not as a checklist, but as a deep, ongoing commitment — one that requires cultural integrity and no compromise. <br></br><br />
From motherhood to policy, personal healing to public change, Sharon reminds us of the importance of grounding the future in the strength of Indigenous voices, especially for Métis youth and the next generation. <br></br><img src="https://feedpress.me/link/23751/17062735.gif" height="1" width="1"/>]]></description>
      <pubDate>Tue, 24 Jun 2025 18:23:23 -0600</pubDate>
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      <title>Many Different Birds - Episode May 27, 2025</title>
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      <description><![CDATA[<b>Episode 14: Dr. Allison Kelliher: Bridging Medicine, Culture, and Healing </b><br />
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We’re honored to welcome our first international podcast guest, Dr. Allison Kelliher—a Koyukon Athabascan physician, traditional healer, and advocate for Indigenous health on both sides of the U.S.-Canada border. <br><br />
In this rich conversation, Dr. Kelliher shares her personal journey from growing up in Alaska to practicing medicine in tribal, urban, and international settings. We dive into her integration of plant-based medicine, acupuncture, osteopathy, and traditional Indigenous healing—and how these practices are reshaping approaches to care. <br></br><br />
We also explore key differences between the U.S. and Canadian medical systems, especially in how they serve Indigenous communities. As director of the Indigenous Determinants of Health Alliance, Dr. Kelliher offers insight into creating more accessible, preventative, and culturally grounded care systems. <br> <br />
From community healing to global advocacy, this episode is a powerful look at how ancestral wisdom and modern medicine can come together to transform health for all. <br><img src="https://feedpress.me/link/23751/17039234.gif" height="1" width="1"/>]]></description>
      <pubDate>Thu, 22 May 2025 18:57:23 -0600</pubDate>
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      <title>Many Different Birds - Episode November 26, 2024</title>
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      <description><![CDATA[<b>Episode 13: Courtney Clark: Healthy Homes Model & Plant-based Medicine </b><br />
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In this episode, we sit down with Courtney Clark to discuss the complexities of addiction medicine and its impact on individuals and communities. Courtney shares her journey into the field, highlighting the challenges and rewards of addressing addiction through a compassionate, holistic lens. <br></br><br />
We explore the role of community support, the importance of understanding underlying causes, and the need for accessible, equitable care. Courtney also sheds light on how storytelling and lived experiences shape her approach, creating pathways for healing and resilience. <br></br><br />
Join us for an insightful conversation on navigating addiction, plant-based medicine, recovery, and the power of human connection.<img src="https://feedpress.me/link/23751/16899266.gif" height="1" width="1"/>]]></description>
      <pubDate>Thu, 21 Nov 2024 21:02:14 -0700</pubDate>
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      <title>Many Different Birds - Episode October 29, 2024</title>
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      <description><![CDATA[<b>Episode 12: Dr. Cheryl Barnabe’s Journey in Rheumatology </b><br />
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Join us for an insightful conversation with a Métis rheumatologist as we explore the intersection of heritage, medicine, and identity. In this episode, we unpack what rheumatology is and discuss how Indigenous identity shapes the experience of becoming a doctor. Our guest reflects on navigating medical school alongside an Indigenous student group and shares personal stories of learning more about their family heritage along the way.<br />
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We also dive into the importance of integrating diverse healing practices and approaches—bridging both Western medicine and traditional knowledge. With a focus on First Nations communities, we discuss how building trust between physician and patient goes beyond diagnosis and treatment. Together, we examine health equity, addressing the disproportionate impact of chronic illnesses on Indigenous populations, and how this informs every step of care.<img src="https://feedpress.me/link/23751/16868464.gif" height="1" width="1"/>]]></description>
      <pubDate>Tue, 15 Oct 2024 19:03:17 -0600</pubDate>
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      <title>Many Different Birds - Episode July 23, 2024</title>
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      <description><![CDATA[<b>Episode 11: Reconnection Journey with Bridgette Elliot </b><br />
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Join us for a compelling exploration of holistic and Western medicine with Bridgette Elliot. Drawing from her Métis heritage and guided by her grandmother's wisdom, Bridgette's journey offers profound insights into cultural connection and self-advocacy in healthcare. From her rural upbringing in Toefield, Alberta, to navigating systemic barriers in accessing healthcare, Bridgette highlights the importance of patient autonomy and the reconciliation within medical systems.<br />
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With a Bachelor of Arts in history, Bridgette brings a unique perspective to our conversation, emphasizing the significance of patient-doctor relationships and the holistic approach to healing. Her experiences with chronic illness underscores the need to address emotional, mental, and spiritual dimensions alongside physical symptoms. <br />
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Join us on this enlightening journey as we uncover the intersections of tradition and innovation in healthcare. Bridgette's insights shed light on the transformative power of cultural reconnection, patient empowerment, and collaborative healing approaches. Together, we delve into the depths of holistic medicine, navigating towards a future where wellness is holistic, inclusive, and deeply rooted in cultural understanding.<br />
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      <pubDate>Thu, 25 Jul 2024 16:12:19 -0600</pubDate>
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      <title>Many Different Birds - Episode June 25, 2024</title>
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      <description><![CDATA[<b>Episode 10: Oceanwise Reflections with Nidhi Kotikalapudi </b><br />
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Welcome to a special episode of Oceanwise Reflections, an episode with the founder of this podcast. In this episode, we embark on a unique journey, focusing on a range of compelling topics that highlight the intersection of ocean conservation, Indigenous wisdom, and conscious living practices.<br />
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Join us as we delve into the immersive experience of an Oceanwise retreat, where participants connect with the ocean on a profound level and gain insights into their role as stewards of the sea. We'll explore firsthand accounts of working directly with Indigenous communities, learning from their traditional knowledge and practices, and understanding the importance of cultural sustainability in modern conservation efforts.<br />
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In this episode, we'll also shine a spotlight on Oceanwise opportunities for youth, empowering the next generation to become passionate advocates for ocean health. Additionally, we'll uncover the transformative impact of the Aquativity project, showcasing innovative solutions driving positive change for our oceans.<br />
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But our exploration doesn't stop there. We'll also take a moment to reflect on the broader implications of consumerism and fast fashion on ocean health, encouraging listeners to consider their own actions and make conscious choices that promote sustainability and environmental well-being.<br />
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So join us on this enlightening journey of self-discovery and environmental consciousness. Tune in to "Oceanwise Reflections" as we navigate the depths of ocean conservation and conscious living in this special episode.<img src="https://feedpress.me/link/23751/16725065.gif" height="1" width="1"/>]]></description>
      <pubDate>Tue, 25 Jun 2024 23:31:57 -0600</pubDate>
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      <title>Many Different Birds - Episode April 23, 2024</title>
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      <description><![CDATA[<b>Episode 9: Embracing Diversity - Indigenous Voices and Strategies with Gerald Ratt and Norma Jeremick'ca Gresl </b><br />
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In this podcast episode, the focus is on dispelling the misconception that all Indigenous peoples are homogenous and highlighting the importance of recognizing their diversity. It delves into the work of the Office of Indigenous Engagement at the University of Calgary and its innovative initiatives, particularly those catering to  Two-Spirited individuals. The development of the Indigenous strategy or ii' taa'poh'to'p as a dynamic and living document is highlighted.  It underscores the responsibility to regularly engage with Indigenous communities, hearing their voices and perspectives. Additionally, this episode discusses the importance of intercultural capacity building and creating ethical spaces that accommodate diverse knowledge systems and values. Proactive listening techniques are also explored as essential tools for fostering meaningful dialogue and understanding.<img src="https://feedpress.me/link/23751/16664780.gif" height="1" width="1"/>]]></description>
      <pubDate>Thu, 25 Apr 2024 18:30:22 -0600</pubDate>
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      <title>Many Different Birds - Episode April 9, 2024</title>
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      <description><![CDATA[<b>Episode 8: Operation Eyesight: Insights from Sidney Gill, Darcy Hipkiss </b><br />
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In this episode, we explore how community-centered approaches within the human services sector are transforming access to eyecare for Indigenous peoples. Through sharing circles and blanket exercises, we witness the profound impact of ceremony and reconnection in overcoming barriers to services for BIPOC and Indigenous communities.   <br />
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Join us as we journey alongside an experienced professional development instructor, advocating for community-led eyecare services and addressing data gaps in marginalized communities. Through the lens of Operation Eyesight, we delve into initiatives providing clean water and addressing essential needs, emphasizing grassroots efforts in promoting holistic well-being.<br />
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Through poignant narratives, we navigate the complexities of empowerment and resilience in the face of vision-related challenges. Discover the significance of cultural sensitivity and humility in fostering trust within communities and learn about innovative strategies to promote inclusivity and solidarity.<br />
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Tune in as we highlight the intersectionality of eyecare and community empowerment, shedding light on pathways towards a more equitable society.<img src="https://feedpress.me/link/23751/16645668.gif" height="1" width="1"/>]]></description>
      <pubDate>Thu, 04 Apr 2024 20:02:01 -0600</pubDate>
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      <title>Many Different Birds - Episode January 9, 2024</title>
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      <description><![CDATA[<b>Episode 7: Dr. Peter Choate - Taking a social work perspective </b><br />
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This podcast is an engaging conversation with Dr Peter Choate on the critical role of social work in society. We cover the following topics in this episode: child welfare, the definition of culture, critical race theory and much more. Despite our focus on the Indigenous communities in our podcast we strive to create intercultural connections as we have done in this episode. We discuss historical and contemporary aspects of these neverending cycles and biased systems. Most notably, it is important to connect Indigenous communities to their culture.   <br />
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      <pubDate>Wed, 24 Jan 2024 17:37:13 -0700</pubDate>
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      <title>Many Different Birds - Episode December 12, 2023</title>
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      <description><![CDATA[<b>Episode 6: Dr. Julie Drolet - How will future disasters impact vulnerable communities? </b><br />
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Are we prepared as a community for future disasters? How about more vulnerable, marginalized communities? Hear more about the floods and the COVID-19 pandemic. Tune in to listen to the disaster preparedness and risks expert - Dr. Julie Drolet. <br />
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      <pubDate>Tue, 12 Dec 2023 19:15:50 -0700</pubDate>
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      <title>Many Different Birds - Episode November 28, 2023</title>
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      <description><![CDATA[<b>Episode 5: A generalist lens to research practices with Dr.Rita Henderson </b><br />
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Inequity vs inequalities in the healthcare system? Breaking down white systems through a generalist lens to research practices?<br />
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If you are interested in learning more about how we can make our systems, practices and policies more inclusive for Indigenous communities, then tune it to this episode.<img src="https://feedpress.me/link/23751/16472080.gif" height="1" width="1"/>]]></description>
      <pubDate>Tue, 28 Nov 2023 20:07:57 -0700</pubDate>
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      <title>Many Different Birds - Episode November 14, 2023</title>
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      <description><![CDATA[<b>Episode 4 - An “energetic” approach to healthcare with Aubrey-Anne Laliberte-Pewapisconias </b><br />
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How can we make our healthcare system energetically green? <br />
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We were fortunate to host an episode with our first out-of-province speaker Aubrey-Anne Laliberte-Pewapisconias, a nêhiyâskwew (nehiha-skwayo) from Canoe Lake Cree First Nation and Little Pine First Nation. She is pursuing a Master of Sustainability in Energy Security program at the University of Saskatchewan. Her passion for energy sustainability is contagious and truly inspirational. We invite you to embark on a journey as we cover youth activism, the 2023 Y20 summit, G20, sustainable energy, and green hospitals.<img src="https://feedpress.me/link/23751/16452048.gif" height="1" width="1"/>]]></description>
      <pubDate>Tue, 14 Nov 2023 18:35:18 -0700</pubDate>
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      <title>Many Different Birds - Episode August 22, 2023</title>
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      <description><![CDATA[<b>Episode 3: Unravelling Health Data Sovereignty with Carolyn Horwood </b><br />
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Indigenous health data sovereignty? In this episode, we dissect this topic with the expertise of Carolyn Horwood who has dedicated her thesis to this research topic. She is passionate about Indigenous health equity, International Indigenous film, and sexual violence prevention. She is an active campus community member, especially through her involvement with the Office of Sustainability.<img src="https://feedpress.me/link/23751/16321017.gif" height="1" width="1"/>]]></description>
      <pubDate>Tue, 29 Aug 2023 17:17:30 -0600</pubDate>
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      <title>Many Different Birds - Episode July 25, 2023</title>
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      <description><![CDATA[<b>Episode 2: Trauma and Healing with Elder Kerrie Moore</b><br />
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Where do the negative emotions underlying our behavior originate from? We invite you to embark on a journey with us to learn about trauma, wellness, and healing with Elder Kerrie Moore. She is a Cree/Metis elder, an integrative psychotherapist, educator, spiritual advisor, and a trauma therapist at the University of Calgary. Her involvement with sustainability projects in the campus community is truly inspirational.<img src="https://feedpress.me/link/23751/16278313.gif" height="1" width="1"/>]]></description>
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      <description><![CDATA[<b>Episode 1: Ink to Manifestation - the journey</b><br />
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Many different birds. How was this name conceived? What is the backstory behind the manifestation of this podcast? Who are we and why are we so passionate about exploring Indigenous approaches to healthcare? Watch this episode to learn more about the story and what to expect in upcoming future episodes.<img src="https://feedpress.me/link/23751/16247288.gif" height="1" width="1"/>]]></description>
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